Friday, December 28, 2007

3 Myths and Misconceptions About the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches

As I continue to explore and experience Eastern Orthodox Christianity with the likely eventuality of joining the Eastern Orthodox Church in mind, I have investigated their faith, practice, and doctrine as well as the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, for which I have also developed a fondness. The more I learn, the more my original notions regarding both of these beautiful churches have been completely swept away. I cherish and am thankful for my Christian upbringing in the Southern Baptist Church and tradition. I would not trade it away if I could. I'm glad my parents brought me up to love Christ, rely on his grace, and meditate on Holy Scripture through which God reveals great wisdom.

But in my upbringing I must admit that I was very misinformed about Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (though the latter was hardly on the radar screen and barely received notice). Many Protestants, particularly evangelicals, have painted very inaccurate caricatures of these two older traditions. I don't think that it is something that is done maliciously and intentionally to discredit Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians, but the result of misinformation and a genuine desire to correctly preserve the faith. Though I think the result has been disunity and disrespect between brothers and sisters in Christ, which is very sad to me.

I remember wincing in pain (and still do) when I heard unfair characterizations of Southern Baptists as ignorant rednecks or intolerant prudes. I would wince in even more pain when I saw one of those few (that stick like a thorn in the side of every faith and background) who live up to the false conception of Baptists and give people a reason to think what they do about Baptists. I concede that such exceptions exist in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, but I want to correct three areas of misconception regarding these churches for which such exceptions really are exceptions and not the rule:



1. The Roman and Eastern Churches practice rituals to the point of spiritual emptiness. As a child, this was something I remember taking as unequivocally true about Catholics, that their religious life was dominated by rituals and that these rituals get in the way of a real relationship with Christ, that worship becomes more about the concrete act of practicing the ritual than actually worshipping Christ and enjoying a daily, personal relationship with him. While I concede that there are probably Catholics who do go through the motions without actually living out a relationship with Christ, evangelicals need to humbly remove the beam from their eye that they may remove the speck of dust in the eye of their Catholic and Eastern brethren in Christ.

There are certainly just as many evangelical Christians who also go through the motions, attend the Sunday service, sing the hymns, and bring fried chicken to the pot luck dinners (very, very good chicken by the way!) but do not actually love and live the life of Christ. Such a problem is not unique to any particular form of worship. Satan's legions who seek our destruction and our own unlimited potential as fallen beings to be stupid and wrong can cause us to take any good and wholesome form of worship and ruin it by making it an end in itself or the means to some worldly end rather than a means of glorifying and loving God. Lukewarm Christians are not exclusive to Roman Catholicism and I don't think it can be fairly argued that Roman Catholic worship by its very nature has a unique propensity to produce lukewarm Christians.

On the contrary, I find the Latin and Eastern forms of worship to be fuller, richer, and more engaging than what I have experienced in Evangelical Protestantism, making the reality of God and my relationship to Him more real and tangible. Crossing yourself, lighting candles, bowing and prostrating: all of these are very powerful and meaningful gestures of worship and confessions of faith. Making the sign of the Cross over yourself is a powerful visual and physical confession you make with your hands that you are saved by the Cross of Christ and belong to Jesus now. I must admit that I always secretly wanted to do it when I was younger, sensing intuitively that it was a powerful and reverent gesture.

Every aspect of Latin and Eastern worship services is designed to use all the senses and to turn them all towards Christ. In Eastern Churches (and more traditional Roman Churches) the priest does not face the congregation as they worship, but faces forward toward the altar and God with his back to the congregation. Instead of a choir in the front facing the congregants, they are usually on the side or in a loft at the back facing forward- they are not there to entertain the parishioners, but to worship God. Such worship is radically theocentric (God-centered) as opposed to many evangelical churches that worship in a way that I believe is more anthropocentric (man-centered), and often more directed toward the entertainment of the congregation than the worship of God. After attending Eastern Orthodox services, I now cannot escape the feeling when I go to a Baptist church, that they are there for me, rather than for God.



2. Roman Catholic and Eastern Christianity are "works-based." Christians in these traditions have a bad reputation for believing that they can affect their own salvation by the merit of their own works and good deeds, rather than by trusting in grace through faith in Christ. While I agree that there are probably Christians in these traditions that strive for their salvation by "being good people" (and note that such Christians likely exist in all traditions), these traditions both unequivocally deny that we can obtain salvation by our own merit. This belief once took the form of the Pelagian heresy, which taught that Christ merely set a good example by his acts, and we are all responsible to emulate his example and thereby achieve salvation by our own merit.

This heresy was condemned as false by St. Augustine, that greatly revered doctor of the Roman Catholic Church, and this condemnation was formalized and codified at the Third Ecumenical Council, which is recognized and affirmed by both the Roman and Eastern Church. It is simply not true that either of these Churches teaches we can merit our own salvation. One of the most Roman Catholic documents ever written was the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent, which postured as a response to the Protestant Reformation. A fellow Christian who is currently investigating the Roman Church just as I am investigating the Eastern Church, told me to read what this council had to say about justification. I was shocked. This Counter-Reformation document had the following to say, "For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace." Follow the link and read the entire thing if you like. You'll be just as shocked as I was if you share my previous misconceptions.



Part of why these churches get this false reputation, is that they are less focused on justification than the Protestant churches and more focused on sanctification (this is even more true of the Eastern Orthodox Church). In other words, it's not just about "getting saved." Salvation does not happen in an instant of justification. The entire package and process of salvation includes not only the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death for our sins (which is greatly emphasized by Protestants), but the redemptive and regenerative power of Christ's resurrection and offer of new life to us. Christianity is more than just "getting saved." I do like the Methodist theologian, John Wesley's take on salvation when he said (as I have heard it attributed to him), "I was saved, I am saved, and I am being saved."

In Eastern Orthodoxy, I have been introduced to the idea that we not only are credited as righteous despite our sin because of Christ, we are actually made righteous despite our sinfulness. We will actually be righteous beings ourselves, fully restored to our former glory before the Fall- I would even say to a state that surpasses our former glory, because Christ had not yet come before the Fall. We will truly become sons and daughters of Light and Heaven. And this process of deification or theosis, starts and progresses in this life. But remember that while Orthodox Christians strive to become little Christs, they do so in Christ and by his power and grace, without which none of us could ever merit salvation on our own. Far from damaging my reliance on Christ and his grace, such a view and practice has resulted in my constantly relying on Christ every day and every hour to grow into him. Never before have I ever lived in such utter dependence on God, in such a close relationship with God, and in such constant and genuine prayer to God than after I had discovered the rich treasures of Eastern Christianity.



3. Roman and Eastern Christians worship Mary and the Saints. This is also simply false. They worship God alone, and they venerate Mary and the Saints. A merely rhetorical distinction contrived to escape criticism? No- there is a very clear difference between the two. Let me use an illustration that an Orthodox friend once told me: Imagine a pilot in World War II flying his plane over enemy territory, preparing to make a bombing raid on their camp. He knows that enemy fighters will scramble to intercept him and that there's a good chance he'll get shot down and killed. He has a picture of his wife, which he looks at lovingly. He kisses the picture and says to her, "I love you." I don't think any reasonable person would criticize his actions or misconstrue them to mean that he thinks the picture is his wife or that he's worshiping his wife.

Just as this man loves and venerates his wife, and just as such an act is not and could not possibly be construed as worship, it is possible (and I think important and profitable) that Christians can love and venerate the Saints of the Church for the way their lives uniquely and powerfully manifest the Kingdom of Heaven here and now, pleasing and glorifying God. Such an act is not worship, but fellowship and love between members of the same body. While all Biblical Christians will acknowledge that we are all saints, it is not improper or inappropriate to use the word in the narrower sense to refer to such saints as those described above. And it is not improper to look to their example and to ask them for their prayers.



We ask each other for prayers all the time. I asked a deacon at the Church I attend to pray for me just recently. I am always asking my close Christians friends to pray for me. If I could, I'd love to ask Billy Graham to pray for me and it would give me great comfort to know that a man with whom the Spirit of God is so powerfully present is praying for me. And to ask him to pray for me is not an act of worshiping him. Can any Baptist reading this honestly say that it wouldn't give you comfort to know Billy Graham were praying for you? Similarly, Roman and Eastern Christians ask Mary and the Saints, other exemplars of Christian piety and devotion, to pray for them.

They believe the Saints can hear our pleas for intercession and prayer because they believe as the creed says, in "the Communion of Saints," that all Christians in all places and times (and those that have passed beyond space and time) are united as part of the same mystical organism, the Body of Christ, that they are bound together in a way that transcends the limits of space, time, and matter and can freely exchange love and intercession, sharing together in the eternal worship of God by glorifying Him and ministering to each other. This may seem strange to you and you may disagree with it or some parts of it (though I think it is Biblical, the correct teaching of the Church, and one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard), but it is not and cannot be fairly characterized as the worship of the Saints or Mary.



Having written these things, let me say that my hope and prayer is for continued love and cooperation between Christians of all traditions; acknowledgement of the great unity we all have in Christ and even in major areas of doctrine and practice, a unity that is much greater than our differences; and greater efforts at mutual understanding and fellowship in the spirit of love and ecumenism. There is so much that is good and beautiful about all of the Christian traditions. My prayer is for the unity of the Church and my hope is that we can all charitably examine ourselves and our brethren and seek the unity that Christ so fervently prayed for future believers to have:

"I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."


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26 comments:

Amaryah said...

Ah, so you're still on your Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox kick? Awesome. Me too. I would like to visit the Orthodox church with you sometime and also, maybe talk to you about things in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox tradition that you like, as well as things you might dislike. I think we are in a very similar boat, my friend.

:)

Nathan said...

Very interesting. I am from a pretty conservative evangelical tradition so most of what you said is news to me.
It seems to me that most of the Catholics I know don't take their faith as seriously or personally as people at my church. However there are many people from similar churches to mine that are even less so.
I think its most important to find a church that is the right fit for you personally, where you are comfortable to worship in the way you choose than to grab a denomination or tradition and stick with it like "I am a baptist so I only go to baptist churches and question the salvation of everyone else."
So if you are attracted to Eastern Orthodox and it seems pretty cool, then God bless you.
Right now im pretty indifferent to organized religion. John Galt's 56 page long speech is getting to me, not that im questioning God as much as I'm questioning the motives of church leadership.

Timothy said...

>"I think its most important to find a church that is the right fit for you personally, where you are comfortable to worship in the way you choose than to grab a denomination or tradition and stick with it..."

That's a surprising statement coming from a conservative evangelical. I would think it most important to find the truth. No where in the Bible do we ever find Jesus or the Apostles saying to find a church that is a right fit for us personally or where we are comfortable. The scriptures do tell us to seek truth.

I'm curious about the Mr. Messamore's reasons for choosing Orthodox over Catholic, particularly in light of recent efforts to reunite both halves of Christianity into a single Church. Many converts choose the Orthodox Church because of the Papacy; however, the Orthodox recently reaffirmed then primacy of the Bishop of Rome in Ravenna, Italy.

BTW, ther are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches in addition to the one at Rome. You might investigate them as well. Here's a site to get you started:

http://www.melkite.org

God bless...

W. E. Messamore said...

Yeah, Amaryah, I sure am. When school starts back this January, let's definitely attend an Orthodox service together and a Roman Catholic one, first thing!

Nathan, I think there are earnest, genuine Christians in both traditions and lukewarm posers in both traditions. The division is not between the traditions, but between the earnest Christians of both traditions and the posers of both traditions. It is between these two parties that the greatest differences lie.

I totally share your feeling of disillusionment at the problems with what you call "organized religion." Interestingly enough, these problems and this disillusionment have played a significant role in driving me to look outside of the Protestant tradition. It's amazing what a remedy Orthodoxy can be for the disillusioned Protestant!

Timothy, I agree that Truth should be our number one criterion for all our decisions. I don't think Nathan meant to choose comfort over truth, but within the confines of correct, Biblical, Christianity that it is okay for there to be a diversity of congregations that worship in different ways, as best fits and reflects the needs of its members- a very Protestant thing to say.

Regarding Rome, I am still investigating and deciding what I believe about these matters, but at present there are many reasons why I am more inclined to join the Orthodox Church than the Roman Church, however I certainly love and respect my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ, and I pray for continued efforts at unity.

In terms of actually listing my reasons here, I must confess that they are hardly well-developed enough and I am hardly sure enough of them at this point to be so bold as to assert them, but I will list some of them:

-Orthodoxy's claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church that most faithfully preserves the body of Christian teaching and practice seems more believable to me than Rome's because Rome seems to "innovate" frequently through history.

-Rome's frequent past entanglements with civil government and wielding of civil authority.

-Orthodoxy seems even more focused on the mystical aspects of man's deification than Rome, and I think this is closer to the religion of Christ (not that there isn't a strong and vibrant mystical tradition within Roman Catholicism, it just seems less a part of the institution itself than with the Eastern Church).

-You're right that I am not inclined at present to believe the Papacy has the sort of authority that Rome asserts. Even recognizing his primacy as first among equals (which to my knowledge no Eastern Orthodox Church hierarchs acknowledge, otherwise why aren't they in communion with Rome?) is a far cry from believing in his infallibity on matters of Church dogma.

Feel free to offer criticisms of my reasons. All the information I can get is helpful. Thanks for stopping by and commenting, Timothy. I really appreciate it and I pray blessings on you, your parish, and your loved ones.

Nathan said...

I have heard it said that 'Most Catholics aren't Christians because they don't have a personal relationship with Christ.' I think people that say this seem to think that Catholics aren't saved because they don't say the sinner's prayer and don't profess faith the same way as Protestants. Wesley do you think that a conversion of the sort that you see in 'five spiritual laws' tracts is necessary for salvation?

Thank you Wes for correctly interpreting my statement. I think my choice of the word "most" wasn't accurate.

W. E. Messamore said...

No problem, Nathan. And I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure exactly what those tracts say, so I'm not really sure what I'd be agreeing or disagreeing with. Can you elaborate?

Nathan said...

http://biblia.com/jesusall/laws.htm

This is kinda like what I'm talking about. My question for you is: "Is it necessary to undergo a moment of conversion, in the form of a prayer, for salvation? There are other things about the "five spiritual laws" that I'm not sure about. But that is what I'm most interested in.

Also, How does the Eastern Orthodox view salvation?

W. E. Messamore said...

I clicked your link and read the page, and I don't really think there's anything in there that I'd disagree with. I agree that God loves us, we're fallen, God offers Christ as the solution, we must recieve Christ to be saved, and that when we do, it will produce the fruit of good works in us.

Do I think that this necessarily happens in a single instant of illumination for every person who becomes a Christian? No. I don't think it happened that way for me. I think it was more of a process, and a gradual growth of faith from the tiny mustard seed I had as a boy into whatever it is that I have now.

And here, I'm not discussing how it should happen, but simply how it does happen. Sometimes it happens in an instant, sometimes it's more organic and takes time and growth. Somehow along the way, I ended up confessing Jesus as LORD and still do, but ask me to pin it down to a moment or day, and I couldn't.

The Orthodox view salvation as theosis- the process of becoming more like God until we finally become little gods, sharing and participating in the divine energies. God and His grace are the fuel that power this process, without which we are lost and could never achieve salvation on our own. But we don't passively get saved, we actively participate in the process.

Coram Deo said...

May I recommend Proclaiming the Gospel for your consideration?

W. E. Messamore said...

I read the title page, where it says: "As a Roman Catholic for over 30 years, I was taught from the Catechism that salvation was by faith plus baptism, the sacraments, good works, law keeping, the sacrifice of the Mass, indulgences, purgatory and penance."

I'm not going to deny that he was poorly catechised and taught a false Gospel. Like I said in the essay, there are probably many Christians in the Catholic Church who strive for their salvation. I imagine the leaders who do so teach others to do so as well. Remember though, that this is not a problem inherent in Roman Catholicism, it exists everywhere.

Most importantly, let me emphasize again, that the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church is that justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I know that's shocking, but it's the truth. Read the part of the Council of Trent regarding justification. It's jaw-droppingly surprising. What do you think?

Coram Deo said...

What do you think?

I all love, humility, and honesty I can tell you that what I think doesn't matter in the least.

Yet I implore you in the Lord to prayerfully search the scriptures and compare the teachings of the RCC to the teachings of scripture.

The RCC says a great many things including many which are contradictory to its own teachigs and the Bible itself. The sad truth is that the RCC has woven a complex, confusing, and often extra-biblical web of teachings which in too many cases stand in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God as found in the Holy Bible.

Consider the centerpiece of Catholic worship, the mass. Do you know what the mass truly represents? Have you investigated the Eucharist? Do you know what the Eucharist truly represents? Have you investigated the RCC's fixation on Mary and the many unbiblical teachings it holds about her?

Please sir, I plead with you in the Lord to consider how these things - and many others besides - line up with the Word of God alone, apart from any feelings or intellectual leanings you may have.

In closing I will offer one parting comment in response to your inquiry as to what I think - it's my firm conviction that men and women within the Catholic church are led by the Holy Spirit to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ despite the teachings of the RCC, not because of them. If one is to be a true, born-again, new creature in Christ then one must be separated from systems that oppose Him.

I understand that this is your blog and it isn't my intention to come into your space and kick up dust, but it may be that the Lord's providence has led me to your humble little corner of cyberspace for such a time as this. May His Spirit speak truth to your heart by His Word alone.

In Christ,
CD

W. E. Messamore said...

Hey, no need to defend yourself for "kicking up dust." How are we to come closer to the Truth without helping each other? And how can we help each other if we don't examine areas of disagreement in mutual love, respect, and earnestness?

Let me clear one thing up to begin with... I don't mean to offer a comprehensive apologetic for everything the RCC teaches. I have my criticisms of it too (some of which I listed earlier in this comment thread to a Roman Catholic commentator).

I definitely agree with you that the RCC has "innovated" a ton with its teachings and has altered the teachings and traditions of the original church founded by Jesus.

But I'd say (and Paul Washer definitely says) that most of Protestant Christianity (even conservative evangelicals, who are known for their strict adherence to Scripture) is just as guilty of the same. Wouldn't you agree?

Like I said, I don't mean to apologize for the RCC in its entirety, but to correct three very specific misconceptions about it and Eastern Orthodox Christianity, and one of those is the conception that the RCC is works-based.

Truthfully, it's there in the Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent clear as day: the RCC teaches grace alone, faith alone, and Christ alone just as fervently as any good Protestant Reformer would have.

The Eucharist and Marian devotion are two somewhat distinct issues from the one above, and I'll be addressing them at some point later on this blog, or we can here if you'd like. I'm not entirely familiar enough with the RCC's view of these issues, but I will say that my position on them both is the same as the Orthodox position, which I believe is Biblical.

As I expressed earlier, I think these kinds of discussions are really important. Perhaps you are correct that God's providence is at work in our discourse. I've added you to my blogroll and want to continue discussing these things with you.

Coram Deo said...

Greetings! I thought you may be interested in this article from Proclaiming the Gospel:

Catholic Christians - Is This An Oxymoron?

Webster's dictionary defines an oxymoron as "a combination of contradictory words," such as jumbo shrimp, tight slacks and pretty ugly. Would you put Catholic Christian into this category? Some would say "no", because they believe Roman Catholicism is a Christian denomination. Others, who know the official teachings of the Catholic Church contradict the essentials of the Gospel would say "yes." We propose that a Catholic Christian is indeed an oxymoron for two reasons: 1) whom we are is what we believe, and 2) it is impossible for anyone to believe two opposing views simultaneously. We recognize that there may be some Christians attending the Catholic Church but if they have believed the Gospel they are no longer Catholics. Let us consider the contradictory beliefs of Catholics and Christians. By definition we will propose a Christian is one who believes the Gospel while a Catholic is one who believes the official teachings and traditions of his church (presented by paragraph number from the Catechism of the Catholic Church).

Authority

A Christian believes Scripture has authority over church. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness (2 Tim. 3:16). By setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience (2 Cor. 4:2).

A Catholic believes the Church has authority over Scriptures. The manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God (119).

Justification

A Christian is justified once by faith because justification is a permanent declaration by God (Romans 8:30). However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness (Romans 4:5).

A Catholic is justified repeatedly by sacraments and works because he loses the grace of justification each time a mortal sin is committed. The sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification (1446).

Regeneration

A Christian believes he is regenerated at baptism of the Spirit. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body (1 Cor. 12:13), from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth (2 Thes. 2:13).

A Catholic believes baptism of water imparts divine life, the water of Baptism truly signifies our birth into the divine life (694).

Salvation

A Christian is saved by God’s unmerited grace. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast (Eph. 2:8-9).

A Catholic is saved by meriting the graces needed for salvation. We can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for the attainment of eternal life (2010).

A Christian is saved for good works. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do (Eph. 2:10).

A Catholic is saved by good works. The sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation (1129).

A Christian is saved for all eternity. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. (Eph. 1:13-14).

A Catholic is saved until a mortal sin is committed. Those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell (1035).

A Christian believes salvation is offered to those outside the church. "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors as though God were making His appeal through us" (2 Cor. 5:20).

A Catholic believes salvation is offered through the Church. Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation. Anyone refusing to enter it or remain in it cannot be saved (846).

A Christian is purified by the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus...purifies us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

A Catholic is purified by the fires of Purgatory. They undergo purification in Purgatory, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030-31).

Saints and Priests

A Christian becomes a saint when the Spirit baptizes him into the body of Christ. And He gave some...for the equipping of the saints...the body of Christ (Eph. 4:11-12).

A Catholic becomes a saint only if the Pope canonizes them. This occurs when he solemnly proclaims that they practiced a heroic virtue and lived in fidelity to God's grace (828).

A Christian is a priest. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God (1 Peter 2:9).

A Catholic needs a priest. Catholic priests are said to be apostolic successors and guarantee that Christ is acting in the sacraments to dispense divine life (1120-1131).

The Lord's Supper

A Christian believes the Lord’s Supper is a memorial. "Do this in remembrance of me" (1 Cor. 11:24-25).

A Catholic believes the Lord’s Supper is sacrifice. The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice...the same Christ who offered Himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner (1367).

A Christian receives Jesus once, spiritually, in the heart. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God (John 1:12). God... put his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee (2 Cor. 1:22).

A Catholic believes he receives Jesus physically, frequently, in the stomach. The body, blood...soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ...is truly, really and substantially contained in the Eucharist (1374-78).

Condemnation

A Christian is condemned by the Roman Catholic Church. Over 100 anathema's have been pronounced against Christians by the Roman Catholic Councils of Trent and Vatican II. These condemnations are still in effect today and can only be lifted if a Christian returns in submission to the authority of the pope.

A Catholic is condemned by the Word of God. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day (John 12:48). If we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (Gal. 1:6-9).

These thirteen teachings and traditions of Roman Catholicism demonstrate that a Catholic Christian is indeed an oxymoron. They also affirm how man made traditions nullify the Word of God (Mark 7:7-13). There are many Evangelicals and Roman Catholics who are unaware of how diametrically opposed Catholic dogmas are to the Word of God. The truth must be told. Catholics who believe they are Christians must be lovingly confronted with the truth. Evangelicals must be educated so they can proclaim the true gospel to Catholics instead of uniting with them under a compromised and diluted gospel.

God's truth coupled with Satan's lies always produces an oxymoron. Yet the "father of lies" continues to seduce many by mixing a little error with truth. In the final analysis, truth mixed with error never hurts the error, it only contaminates the truth. The veneer of truth covering the false gospel of Rome is deceiving not only Catholics but many Protestants as well. Let us persuade Catholics to turn from the errors of man's teachings to the truth of God's Word!

God defines truth with His Word (John 17:17). It is objective, authoritative and sufficient! We must use it to expose the evil deeds of darkness, to set captives free from the bondage of deception and to protect God's children from being deceived.

thadeus said...

Deo,

"A Christian believes the Lord’s Supper is a memorial. "Do this in remembrance of me" (1 Cor. 11:24-25)."

If this was the case, why would it be a "hard teaching." See the Gospel according to John, chapter 6.

53 Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit [e] and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them."

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

W. E. Messamore said...

You're very right, Thadeus. And why would the Eucharist cause people to become sick as Paul notes if it was just ordinary wine used to remember? To be fair, this is an older post and I doubt Coram Deo is still following the comments.

Er said...

Wow! Your story is great. I can't help but to shed drops of tears, it's really gratifying, I could feel my spirit flying with your spirit. May God bless you and come home to the Church...

I pray for you also.To Jesus be the glory with Mama Mary's prayers.

Tito Edwards said...

W.E.,

Being a Catholic that actually tries to practice his faith I offer you two points to chew over that you posted as 'problems' with the 'RCC'.

Number one, I find it ironic that you have an issue with the Catholic Church and its entanglements with civic authority.

Isn't it the Orthodox tradition that is accused of caesaropapism? Each national church has to have their patriarch 'approved' by the state. Not to mention the long history of entanglements of church and state within Orthodoxy.

Second and last point, you accuse the Church of 'innovating'. The Church only holds councils to reaffirm centuries old Church teaching. To 'innovate' is to make up from scratch. The doctrine of Mary had a long tradition since, well, Mary herself!

Anyways, I'm glad that you are investigating both traditions. Both of which are the only True and Apostolic churches in existance today (sorry Anglicans, you all have gone Protestant).

We pray for 'both lungs of the Church' to be reunited as it was prior to 1054.

May you go in peace.

In Jesus, Mary, & Joseph,

Tito

W. E. Messamore said...

Thanks for commenting, Tito.

Each national church has to have their patriarch 'approved' by the state. I would hardly blame the state's harassment of the Church in this manner on the Church.

And hey, I don't have a problem with holding councils to reaffirm and clarify Church teaching, but in my opinion, there are many Roman Catholic doctrines that depart from the original doctines of the Church.

Though I don't see it happening any time soon, I do share your desire for one faith and one life among us.

Thank you for your blessing of peace. May you also go in peace.

Brian said...

Interesting post, but I would challenge the whole "seems to have kept the faith intact" claim on behalf of the Orthodox. The Orthodox allow divorce and remarriage and the reception of Communion thereafter. How is that holding to what Jesus says in Matthew about divorce, or what St. Paul says? They also seem to reject purgatory. How is that historical Christianity?

Finally, I would strenuously although charitably disagree with your assertion that Catholicism has innovated on points of the Faith over the centuries. Nothing could be further from the truth. I will pray for your journey. God is giving you many graces.

W. E. Messamore said...

Thanks, Brian. Please understand that I'm not trying to start a controversy here (I'd be about a thousand years late for that anways), or even to offer criticisms of Roman Catholicism (except that a commentator had specifically asked why I lean towards Orthodoxy).

As for divorce, it is under only very rare and extreme circumstances, when remaining together would endanger the salvation of the two partners, that at the discretion of a bishop, as a matter of ekonomia (divine concession to human weakness), a marriage is annulled. Doesn't the RCC also annul marrages?

To my knowledge, purgatory is not a historical Christian doctrine, but an innovation which has become a historical Roman Catholic doctrine.

Thank you for your prayers. I need them! I will pray for you too, Brian. Caritas.

prasad_yv said...

Interesting blog,I've been exploring the same themes that you have been exploring. I love the catholics and the orthodox christians for their devotion, some of their catechisms are truely touching. I agree with you in what catholics and orthodox churches do about venerating mary and saints. But there is a very important catch there viz., there is a very thin line between veneration and worship. Can you stop a lay worshipper or sometimes your own self from slipping into worship while venerating mary or the saints ??
And truely, if you didn't know, it has slipped in many places of the catholic church. There are 'temples' of veneration in southern india (eg., Velangani) where people go to such lengths as shaving their heads and walking on knees around the temple and imploring mary for cures etc., Is this what abraham did? is this what moses did? jews are the people who really showed to the world worship to one indestructible GOD, if an orthodox jew were to be given a choice of christian denominations he would never join the catholic church. There are things that are really not necessary but still have crept in as traditions. Some catholic worshippers in central and south americas don't even come near to what worhsip really is from genesis to the revelation but still are sanctioned by the pope. But i do love the catholics and orthodox churches, i attend their churches and would strongly like to work with them all.

W. E. Messamore said...

You bring up an important concern. I think there is less danger of properly catechized Christians slipping into worship of the saints than of them slipping into worship of worldly things, pursuits, etc. The saints are their own protection against such idolatry because they point us all to Christ.

prasad_yv said...

Yes Messamore, I do agree with you and that is the reasom I don't find a problem moving with them and attending their churches. But there are a few things that could be avoided , bringing worship closer to what it truely is in the Bible. This is what differentiates Christianity from others. At the end of the day if there is no Christ in our talk and walk and our hearts it doesn't matter what we do and which denomination we are into, this is the basic truth we should not forget and it should be our sincere endeavor not to divide the body of Christ.

W. E. Messamore said...

Right on, my friend! It all starts and ends with Christ. Thanks for commenting. Leave me some more whenever you feel inclined to address any other angles that I've missed.

Anonymous said...

Listen, why not become an *Eastern* Rite Catholic?!? That way you get the Truth through the Pope and the Magesterium, PLUS you get to experience St. John Chrysostom's heavenly Divine Liturgy each Lord's Day!!! It's The Best of Both Worlds!
:-)
I'm totally serious! Pray about it!

W. E. Messamore said...

Lol, thanks. Your comment brought a smile to my face. I am with you in praying for ecumenism and unity. In the meantime, I am already putting down roots in an Eastern Orthodox parish with a priest who is very much a spiritual father and mentor to me.

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